Tuesday, March 12, 2013

Thomas Bailey Christian of Indian Creek, Virginia



I need to do a round-up of all the information floating around about our ancestor, Thomas Bailey Christian.

In the beginning
There have been stories that TBC was an orphaned Native American going back before the Internet. I will try to lay out here where the stories originated and when. We are 99% sure that he was an orphan and that he was adopted by Thomas Mastin. There are stories that he was the son of Elinipsico Cornstalk and if you read your history books you will find that Elinipsico and his father, Cornstalk, were murdered by American militiamen at Fort Randolph during a diplomatic visit in November 1777.

First written statements - Christian v. Wray

In 1805 Thomas Christian was in a battle over ownership of his land on Indian Creek. In a deposition, John Hankins stated that  Thomas Christian was an orphan.

You can view the documents at Virginia Memory: Chancery Records

(also see Lula Hankins Hunter below)


In 1815 Hezekiah N. "Low Hawk" Whitt wrote a will naming his brother "Thomas B. Christian".  Read the will here.

In the court case ESTATES: MOSES SKAGGS HEIRS, ESTATE CASE # 3871, GREEN CO., KY, 1836  it is stated that the daughter of Liddy Harman was married to Thomas Christian. 


(also see Lula Hankins Hunter below)


In 1844 Thomas Christian helped his friend, Hezekiah Whitt, apply for a pension. This is his statement:
In addition to the certificate given by this affiant, he would state that this affiant was raised from childhood (being Left an orphan) by Captain Thomas Mastin, whom he has often heard say, that Hezekiah Whit, the applicant for a pension in the foregoing declaration, was a soldier under him in the Cherokee Expedition into Tennessee. This affiant knew the said Whit at that time and has known him ever since. This affiant knows nothing of any other service stated by the said Whit, but he believes them to have been performed as stated. Sworn to and subscribed the day and year above written in open court. (signed) Thomas Christian 

In 1853, the year of his death, we do not have Thomas Christian's Death Certificate but we do have his infant son Samuel's which names his parents as Thomas B. Christian and Mary.

Eastern Cherokee Applications
In 1908, the granddaughter of Moses Bailey Wiskilo'tha "Sharp Shooter" Christian applied to the Eastern Cherokee (Application #10464). The application was rejected, which does not really mean anything because many applications were rejected for frivolous reasons or for, in our case, I believe, people did not really know anything about the details of their heritage because it was kept hidden. Remember, the Cornstalks were brutally murdered. Often enrollment would not be granted if your ancestors had never enrolled (our case) but many of the Native ancestors tried to downplay their heritage for safety. You can see a copy of the application at Fold3.com. Here is one note in the application:

H. C. Fink (1)
Justice of the Peace and Real Estate Dealer
Tug River, W. Va.
January 22, 1908

Mr Gunion Miller
Washington DC

Dear Sir,

(Unreadable) I have in regard to claims Eastern Cherokee Indians my great grandfather Mose Christian was Eastern Cherokee (2) Indian and lived with the Indians in Virginia and annually went to the Western part of the W.S. (3)with them.
I had no former opportunity to enroll and do not know why my ancestors did not enroll.
Yours very truly,
JM X Charles
Witness
(unreadable)

1. People often hired local attorneys to help file their applications.
2. I don't believe people in 1908 knew the difference between Shawnee, Delaware, Cherokee. Cherokee just meant "Indian" to them. That's just my guess for why Shawnee people applied for Cherokee claims.
3. We don't know what this means "Western part of the W.S." - Washington State? Do you know?

Gordon Aronhime
In May, 1982, historian Gordon Aronhime wrote the article Thomas Mastin: Important Unknown of the Early Clinch River Settlement for the Historical Society of Washington County, Va. He does not mention our Thomas Christian.

Jump to 1991-1994 Juanita Sigmon Halstead - Holston Pastfinder
Sometime in the early 1990s, before the Internet, Juanita Sigmon Halstead of Scott Depot, West Virginia wrote short articles for the newsletter Holston Pastfinder. She does not mention Indian stories but she does confirm that our Thomas Christian was adopted by Thomas Mastin. She may have written more about TBC. We need to find out if any of her work has been published.

We know of two quotes about TBC in the HP.

Issue 37-1 (number is hard to read on our copy)
In this note by JSH that starts off about Joseph WRAY Juanita writes "Thomas MASTIN took our Thomas CHRISTIAN, Sr. under his wing when our Thomas was orphaned and our Thomas was with him after he (Thomas MASTIN) and Daniel SMITH left Washington County and went to the Territory South of the Ohio River - TN really." There is more information about TBC on this page email if you would like a copy.


[This note by JSH corrects an earlier article in
HPF 36-18 - we should get that too. ]

Issue 36-42
Partial quote I found on a Google Books search:  "Sumner Co., TN, where he d. c1810. Thomas CHRISTIAN was orphaned & taken into the care of Thomas MASTIN. CHRISTIAN was in Floyd Co., KY c1795/6, found on list of customers at a store owned & operated by John..."


Lula Hankins Hunter - 1998 Message Posts Lula is the descendant of Elizabeth Skaggs who was the sister of our Lydia Skaggs. In 1998 Lula wrote at least two message board posts that apply to TBC.

"Skaggs & Hankins", Beginnings with Never Endings Msg 3-A Here she writes about the Christian v. Wray lawsuit and more...


ESTATES: MOSES SKAGGS HEIRS, ESTATE CASE # 3871, GREEN CO., KY, 1836 This will validates the relationship of TBC, his wife and connects her to her mother Lydia Skaggs and the Skaggs family. Excerpt: "Robert & Moses Beavers & Thomas Christian having married daughters of said Mathias & Liddy Harman"

Agnes Branch Pearlman and the Christian Chronicles
Pearlman, publisher of the Christian Family Chronicles, stated that she did not believe Thomas Bailey Christian was the orphaned son of Nathaniel Christian. She also stated she did believe he was from the old Christian family but she was not sure where he fit in. This statement was posted to the Internet in 2000. I do not know when it was written.

Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf and Metcalf Family Mews
In 2007, Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf  started a blog where she writes about her Adkins family links to Cornstalk.  She also has Reed and Blankenship connections. I check on her Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage post to read the comments and see who is discovering Cornstalk genealogy. 185 comments as of this writing (Jan. 2014).

James Red Wolf
In 2008, James Red Wolf started posting about his family's oral history concerning Thomas Bailey Christian and the Cornstalk family. As far as I know he was the first to write about the Cornstalk connections. Here he describes his connection to TBC:
"I probably have confused a few of you concerning my relation to Thomas and Louisa. I come down through his son James, then James’s son George. Some thought it was Thomas’s son George, but it was his grandson. If I said Thomas's son George, I meant to say grandson. My error. I hope this confusion has been cleared up. J Red Wolf"

I have made a handy link page to his posts.
James Red Wolf Posts

In Red Wolf's posts he mentions quite a few leads that may turn up more documents for us. Please contact me - Catherine dee Auvil - if you find any of these documents and I will add them to their respective WeRelate pages.

1. TBC's sister Sarah "Mountain Raven" Mastin who married Bear Adkins. Sarah in Tazewell and Bear in North Carolina. Bear's papers name Thomas Christian of Tazewell as his brother in law and Executor of Estate. The above was assembled from treaty signings and other affairs where the name is recorded as "son of or daughter of Cornstalk" "Find the Greenbrier, not the place, but the woman. She was a daughter of Chief Cornstalk. Much older than her sister Rachel. Once you find Greenbrier and Reuben Kinnison, you find Rachel again. Greenbrier names Rachel Whitt as her sister. Look for them with William Parrish and his wife Elizabeth Kinnison. Elizabeth was daughter to Greenbrier and Reuben." J Red Wolf

2. Rachel Scaggs who married Hezekiah Whitt "You can only find her “name change” on record, a legal change from her Indian name to Rachel Skaggs. This will give proof to you of her relation to the Cornstalks. Look for her in Montgomery County. She was NOT a Skaggs, keep this in mind." Red Wolf

3. "Tomas Mastin's papers for the orphans are found in Tennessee. (It states he raised 4 orphans) There is also one from Hezekiah Whitt in Virginia for the recognition of Thomas Christian as a Cornstalk orphan. Montgomery County is the place to look." Red Wolf

4. "The younger Hezekiah (Low Hawk) signed for Thomas Christian verifying he was a son left orphaned by the Cornstalk. Thomas in turn signed the same for Hezekiah." Red Wolf

Caryl Lamont, a descendant of Thomas Bailey Christian through Mastin Christian, corresponded with James Red Wolf, typed up the family tree and posted it to Genforum in 2008.

Shawnee Heritage by Don Greene
At about the same time as the Red Wolf postings (2008), Don Greene* published his book Shawnee Heritage I. His book mentions Elinipsico but does not name his children. *Note: Don Greene is controversial in part because he does not name his sources. In spite of that, he has done extensive research and his books are invaluable in the study of Shawnee history.
(2013) I have just received word that Don Greene is looking into the Cornstalk Orphan mystery. Stay tuned.


Cheryl Tate Duke and Appalachian Aristocracy
Since 2010, Cheryl Tate Duke, a descendant of Thomas Bailey Christian through Thomas Scaggs Christian, has enjoyed sharing the family history she has gathered at her website Appalachian AristocracyJuanita Sigmon Halstead was her mentor and they both contributed stories about Tazewell Christians to the Christian Family Chronicles. Cheryl has stated that neither Juanita nor Agnes  ever mentioned a Thomas Bailey Christian-Cornstalk connection to her. [1]


Indian Creek, Virginia
In the summer of 2011 Jo Spencer and I (Catherine dee Auvil) met through the Appalachian Heritage forum. We discovered that we both had ancestors who lived in the small community of Indian Creek, Virginia about the time of the Revolutionary War. Jo has researched the connection between her Indian Creek ancestor, Nikitie Arthur, and the niece of Pocahontas, "Princess Nicketti". To learn that descendants of Nicketti and the Cornstalks all lived together in this tiny Virginia town made a lot of sense to us. We believed, and we still believe, that descendants of Powhatan and Cornstalk hid out in this small Appalachian community to avoid the removal in the same way that the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians were able to survive the Trail of Tears by remaining in Tennessee. If you would like to join our study group here is the link

link to study group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nikitie/
Links to forums we have moved on to

DNA clues
In 2012, Kennith Simpson started posting to the Ancestry.com Christian forum that his own personal DNA trail leads from Thomas Bailey Christian back to William Christian, Isle of Man, born 1579-1655. While we are waiting for more DNA studies to support Kennith's line  we do have to acknowledge the changes DNA studies could make to what we believe. If you keep the family stories that TBC was raised by the Cornstalk family it seems to imply that either he or his father were kidnapped white settlers. If you would like to follow these developments here is a link to the Ancestry forum:

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.christian/2132/mb.ashx

Conclusion
That's the state of Thomas Bailey Christian research as of 2013. If I have missed anything please let me know. I will update this post and you can always find a list of known facts about TBC at his WeRelate page. You can find his WeRelate page in a link list I made of all the people we are studying for the Indian Creek group:

Cast of Characters
https://tinyurl.com/castNikitie


Catherine dee Auvil
March 2013


Edited: March  15 2013 to add Shawnee Heritage by Don Greene
Edited: March 15 2013 to add Agnes Branch Pearlman and Christian Chronicles
Edited: March 16 2013 to add the will of Hezekiah N. Low Hawk Whitt
Edited: March 20 2013 to add Cheryl Tate Duke and Appalachian Aristocracy
Edited: March 20 2013 to add Caryl Lamont; fixed JRW posts link
Edited: March 20 2013 to add Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf and Metcalf Family Mews
Edited: May 20 2013 to add Don Greene news 
Edited: May 24 2013 to add Juanita Sigmon Halstead quotes
Edited: May 27 2013 to add Lula Hankins Hunter posts
Edited: June 5 2013 Gordon Aronhime; DNA; 1853 Samuel
Edited: July 9 2013  Added the 1836 Moses Estate statement to the beginning timeline
Edited: Dec 17 2013 Added link to HLHW's will
Edited: Jan 1 2014  Just fixing some typos
Edited: Jan 25 2014 Holston Past Finder Issue number & Metcalf Family Mews Cornstalk post link
Edited: May 10 2023 Fixed some broken links

32 comments:

  1. preface: I am not "in the know" ~ still gathering different accounts.

    That being said:
    Are you aware of the account that has a Kumskaka (Thomas Bailey Christian) as the brother of Tecumseh?
    • The year of birth matches (c. 1770)
    • The (reported elsewhere) age of Thomas (age 7) at time of being sheltered by the Mastins also matches a probable birth by Methoataske, instead of Ellinipsico's wife, Standing Deer.

    see:
    http://www.fantasy-epublications.com/shawnee-traditions/Genealogy/Tecumseh_Family/Lineage.html

    {note: this site is largely relates to the extensive work of Chief Don Greene. I am trying to get in touch with him to gain some clarity. I will get back to this forum with a report once I find out some answers}

    With the internet being what it is, it is hard to get confirmed, hard and fast source data that is not conjecture. I am not tied to any particular birth story for Thomas Bailey Christian "Kumskaka". It may have to remain that way.

    Otherwise: It is clear that, in giving most of his many children alternate Native American (I assume Shawnee) names, that Thomas honors what he saw was his personal heritage. This tends to discredit an all European gene pool theory for him. One TBC child even has a Tecumseh variant spelling name.... but didn't many(!) children of that era.

    However: The "Bailey" in Thomas' English name goes back to a (possible) male grandparent of a wife of Ellinipisico... (can be seen as a contradiction to the Tecumseh descent story)

    What emerges?

    Accepting that four young Shawnee were taken in by the Mastins:
    • The four did not have to have had the same parents.
    • What they came to be named in English was not necessarily their choice
    • The different connotations of what "wife" and "motherhood" means in this era up upheaval can complicate matters. Indeed, it complicates the thinking of what we all would like to believe about our ancestors.

    It is hard for researchers, like me, sitting in a warm chair with a full belly, to fully appreciate the nature of these disruptive times in the Shawnee.
    => In the 1770's: What must have been on these four children's minds and which stories did they believe about their own heritage? If they didn't know, how could their adoptive parents, and how could we?


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  2. Don Greene writes in Shawnee Heritage II that Kumskaka, brother of Tecumseh, moved to Canada and died in 1815. (Of course he could be wrong.) Maybe instead he was adopted by Elinipsico?

    I'm also starting to think the four orphans may not have been related to each other by birth.

    Bailey history is very important to us - we need to know more!

    I am also fascinated by all the people who lived in Southwest Virginia so long ago.

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  3. Thanks for this on Kumskaka. (I've just ordered the Greene books).
    I wonder who first said that Kumskaka and TBC were one and the same...

    There is,of course, another possibility...
    Just as Tecumseh and Tecumpaese have similar names... Perhaps there were two young males in the tribe..
    Kumskaka and Kumshaka... or any number of variant spellings..

    Maybe the clue to follow is the "Bailey" part of TBC.... something that may anchor TBC in the Holoesqua (Cornstalk) tree rather than being Temcumseh's brother....

    Has anyone established the progeny of Nate Bailey, Elinipsico's alleged father?

    Have you seen this online book?:
    http://www.kinyon.com/virginia/tazewell1852/contents.htm

    Lots of family names in it ....of interest....

    = Mike van Beuren

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  4. Thanks so much for putting this page together! I'm a direct descendant of Thomas B. Christian, as well as of the Long Hunter Mathias Harman (via two distinct paths), and of Capt. James Skaggs (via four distinct paths!). It's quite clear that there was a lot of intermarriage between families going on in Tazewell County back in the day.

    While I was born and raised in upstate New York, my maternal grandmother was a Beavers from Tazewell County, and she lived with us for a number of years. I can recall her telling me that if I dug back far enough in our family tree, I would find that I have some Native American roots. She knew the generation where I'd find it and believed a Cherokee woman was involved, but beyond that, should could provide no additional details.

    I have been researching my family tree in earnest for a couple of years now, and had come to the conclusion that my grandmother's claim was most likely nothing more than a family myth. Following other trees I'd found online, I'd placed Thomas B. as the son of Nathaniel Christian and Jane Ewing. It's obvious that the Christian line has been well-researched, and without skipping a beat, I'd traced it all the way back to the Isle of Man.

    No other lines of ascent on my mom's side suggested the slightest hint of a Native American ancestry, and it wasn't until just this past week that I first saw mentions of Thomas's adoption by Thomas Mastin, of a possible connection to Chief Cornstalk and Elinipsico, and of Standing Deer Bailey.

    Whatever took place involving Thomas B. Christian, it's exactly at the point in our tree where my grandmother said I would find it. It's exciting to think that TBC may represent the link to what she was talking about all those years ago!

    While I can't provide anything that betters our understanding of Thomas's ancestry, should anyone be working on lines of descent, I'm happy to provide the details of how he and I are related. Of course, where my Tazewell relatives are concerned, what I have is more of a family shrub than a family tree, but it's a comical thing to see it charted out. I have to believe I have way fewer ancestors than the average person!

    Appreciate your efforts trying to get a handle on the chronology here. This will be a great jumping off point for additional explorations!

    Kind regards,

    Rob Taylor
    Lansdale, PA

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    1. I am also a directly related to mathis Harman,he is my 5th great grandfather my second great grandfather married Susan christian who would be the granddaughter of Thomas Christian bailey, I've had my dna check and it showed no Indian in me but its been I think 7 generations so it may be to little to show up, but I'm very interested in how we may be related and if tcb is indian.i live in summersvillie west Virginia, my mom was a Harman I once went to a Harman reunion in tazewell I met some of my granddads brothers kids,it was very interested and lot of fun, but please share with me and info you could about tcb ,I'm very interested

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  5. John Hyland Christian, son of George Dos Christian, son of Thomas Bailey Christian, told us stories of his Indian childhood. I was very young, but I still remember those stories, I have to believe there was truth in them.
    My birth name is Patricia Elizabeth Christian, daughter of Tracy Hollis Christian, last child born to John an Mary.

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  6. The DNA results of my friend who is the direct descendant of Thomas Bailey Christian revealed no Native American DNA at all. Nor did any of her other relatives who trace their lines directly to TBC. Thomas Bailey Christian was likely a white adoptee along with his mother and received the name "Christian" from Mastin Christian after the death of Chief Cornstalk and his son Elinipsico. My guess is that his real surname was probably Bailey and his father was somehow absent from his life. Elinipsico, in my opinion, was likely Standing Deer Bailey's second spouse.

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    1. I didn't want to approve this comment by V because we don't need any more rumors. We need facts. But in the interest of keeping this conversation going I will approve it. Even though we have a member in the Nikitie group who is genetically matching to the Bluejacket family (fact) and contradicting your rumor. And the Bluejacket family has already been verified as Native American (fact). And it's also a fact that TBC is matching to men with yDNA surname Christian. Seems to be more than a coincidence - could only mean one thing - he was probably born a Christian. My V.2016 theory is that TBC's father was a kidnapped baby from the early Virginia Christians. But everyone, please share your own theories, I love to hear them.

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  7. Im a desendant of mathias harman. And TBC. I too have heard that a harman married indian family story. Cant prove the wingo side because of lack of records so was hopeing to have the harman side explain the darkness in my family colorbeing mostly german

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    1. Our Auvil line came from Germany to America but when our DNA was tested it shows yDNA G which is Central Asian. I wonder if this explains people in Germany with jet black hair? They came from the east?

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  8. The picture of TBC on one of the ancestor sites looks very Native American?

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  9. Thomas Bailey Christian is my GGGG Grandfather. My grandfather is Hyland Douglas Bailey and his mother was Rawsie Blackey Christian. She definitely looked very Native American, though it could be from the other side of the family. We have been told that she had a fair amount of Shawnee in her blood. My grandfather celebrated his 88th birthday yesterday and I am going to his house to visit and will see what he can remember as I didn't realize there was so much controversy over Thomas Bailey Christian's lineage. Any information anyone has please feel free to contact me. cabailey90@gmail.com

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    1. Callie my dad was Rawsie's baby brother. I have been hunting family for twenty years. I would love to solve this mystery,but we need a male of a male of a christian to take the test.

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    2. I would love to speak with you more regarding this if you would like. Both me and my father have recently taken DNA tests with surprising results. Feel free to email me at cabailey90@gmail.com. I am super interested in any info you have on our heritage and it's nice to "meet" you.

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  10. Thomas Bailey Christian is my GGGG Grandfather. My grandfather is Hyland Douglas Bailey and his mother was Rawsie Blackey Christian. She definitely looked very Native American, though it could be from the other side of the family. We have been told that she had a fair amount of Shawnee in her blood. My grandfather celebrated his 88th birthday yesterday and I am going to his house to visit and will see what he can remember as I didn't realize there was so much controversy over Thomas Bailey Christian's lineage. Any information anyone has please feel free to contact me. cabailey90@gmail.com

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  11. Has anyone found anything more about TBC? Western W.S.? Watershed maybe? I decend from Susanah christain Harman and henry michthell harman

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  12. Has anyone found out more on TBC? I decend through Susanah Christain Harman and Henry Mitchell Harman.

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  13. Has anyone found out more on TBC? I decend through Susanah Christain Harman and Henry Mitchell Harman.

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  14. Western part of W.S.I think western wa also cause thats were i live. But maybe its watershed?

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  15. Western part of W.S.I think western wa also cause thats were i live. But maybe its watershed?

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  16. Hello! I'm new to this forum. Here's what I have to contribute:

    My wife, Kelli (Mettler) Bacher, is the 4th great-granddaughter of Thomas Bailey Christian, via his son Daniel and grandson John D. Christian. The latter moved out to Washington State, which is where Kelli's family has been for the last several generations.

    Family stories have not mentioned Indian ancestry on that side of the family, so we became aware of the controversy over TBC's origins when we started doing genealogical research. Kelli's uncle, Laurence "Larry" Christian, is a direct male descendent, so we recently did both an autosomal test for Kelli and a yDNA test for Larry. Neither show any evidence of Native ancestry. Larry's yDNA points back to the British Isles (haplogroup R-M269), and Kelli's family origins are heavily Scandinavian, along with British Isles, Switzerland (her father's side), and Mediterranean.

    Our results add to the evidence that TBC was not of Native origin.

    The theory that TBC had been taken in by Shawnee before he was re-adopted by Thomas Mastin is an intriguing one. I wonder, though, if it might even be more simple. Is it possible that the event in November 1777 that left Shawnee orphans might also have left orphans among the white settlers as well? Perhaps there were casualties on both sides, and the four children that Thomas and Agnes Mastin took in included both Indians and white settlers. That might explain why Outhowwa never seems to have been given an "English" name, while the other children took surnames of Christian, Whitt, and Mastin.

    One thing I've wondered but have not been able to find information about is whether there are known descendants of the other orphans besides Thomas Bailey Christian. We know TBC's genetic origins from DNA testing. What might we find from the descendants of Sarah, Hezekiah, and Outhowwa? Would they show the same origins, or something completely different?

    It's an intriguing mystery, and one to which our family is relatively new. Just reading all of the theories and discussions will take time, and we are grateful for what others have already done to explore this story of my wife's origins.

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    1. I know this is several years after the question was posted but I just ran across this thread. The incident you are referring to took place at Fort Randolph, Point Pleasant, Virginia (now West Virginia). Chief Cornstalk, along with two other Native Americans from his tribe, visited the fort to warn Capt. Mathew Arbuckle, fort commander, of the growing Native forces set to attack the American western frontier. Arbuckle, unsure of Corstalk's true motives, had him taken hostage to figure things out and hopefully disuade the Shawnee from attacking the fort. Sometime after the Natives were taken prisoner Elinipsico, Corstalk's son, went to the fort to check in on his father. While Elinipsico was speaking with his father in the fort one militiaman was killed across the river which set off the chain of events culminating with the death of all four Indians in the fort. The surname of the one American killed that day is not any of the ones given to the four children. The only other casualties that day were the four Indians who were killed inside the fort.

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  17. Thanks for the reply. My uncle took a dna test and native american was found. I am decended from susan christian harman. Grand daughter of thomas bailey christian. But indian may have come from after TBC. I resently seen that liddy scaggs married to my mathias sr also had some indian along with her brothers longhunters

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  18. Thanks for the reply. My uncle took a dna test and native american was found. I am decended from susan christian harman. Grand daughter of thomas bailey christian. But indian may have come from after TBC. I resently seen that liddy scaggs married to my mathias sr also had some indian along with her brothers longhunters

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  19. I read that Thomas Mastin property was next to Thomas Christian in 1792 in Tenn? Also read that Thomas Christian was in a skirmish with indians as a soldier and dispatched (killed) young indian around 1787??

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  20. Another thing. TBC being in Ky in 1795/96 being a costomer at a store owned by John? Mathias Sr. Was in Ky then in Floyd county so his daughter whom TBC married was probally with her father at that time. May be a clue?

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  21. Another thing. TBC being in Ky in 1795/96 being a costomer at a store owned by John? Mathias Sr. Was in Ky then in Floyd county so his daughter whom TBC married was probally with her father at that time. May be a clue?

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  22. Another thing. TBC being in Ky in 1795/96 being a costomer at a store owned by John? Mathias Sr. Was in Ky then in Floyd county so his daughter whom TBC married was probally with her father at that time. May be a clue?

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  23. Western part of the watershed? Ohio watershed? I still havnt given up. Lol.

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  24. I read today that there is a thomas bailey on the Boonsbough list?

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  25. I have 1% Native American showing in AncestryDNA test, along with Dahmon Whitt, he is 3 ggg grandson of Rachel Skaggs myself 4thgggg grandson of Rachel Skaggs I believe dahmon a generation closer showed 2 or 3% Native American DNA.. and recently I showed a match to a lady who was granddaughter of Thomas Bailey Christian and the shared matches with her was Whitts. She ahead a complete built tree 3500 or so liked at her tree see if something may lead to Whitts.. but looked like the Whitts had dna that matched her through Thomas Bailey Christian.. somewhere I read it States TBC states Rachel as his sister. But what I’ve seen it’s totally possible old stories true.. avid researcher and dig deep.. I have no other possible way to have Native American
    Dna

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  26. Agnus Christian Cartwright bonded by Thomas Masten 1791 Tenn

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