Thursday, September 19, 2013

How to Search and Post in the New Yahoo Groups

Some people have been confused by the new changes at Yahoo so I have written a guide for posting and searching on the new Yahoo Groups.

There are two ways to post to your group: web or email.

Posting via the web

  1. On your group's main page, click Conversations.
  2. Click New Topic.
  3. Enter your message content.
  4. Click Send.


Are you not seeing the "New Topic" button? There are a number of reason why you won't see it like forgetting to log-in, etc., but the most likely is if you are an "email only" member of the group. This is what happened to me. I get my messages by email but occasionally I post from the Yahoo Groups page. Not anymore. Yahoo foolishly dropped that option. So now you can either post by email (instructions follow) or change your settings at Yahoo.

Posting via email

  1. Open a new email message.
  2. Enter groupname@yahoogroups.com into the "To:" field.
    Note: Replace groupname in the address with the actual group name.
  3. Our Nikitie group address is nikitie@yahoogroups.com
  4. Enter your message content into the email body.
  5. Send your email to submit your post.
Are you getting these emails returned or an error message? Did you register your main email account with Yahoo? I have a "main" Gmail email account and a Yahoo email account so I can use Yahoo Groups. I could not post to a Yahoo Group using my Gmail account until I registered it with Yahoo.



Register another email address with Yahoo

  1. Go to My Yahoo. Click on the gear icon and choose "Account info"
  2. Choose "Update your account information"
  3. Choose "Add email"

Searching the new groups

The search box has been moved from just above the messages to the very top of the page. You can also use Google search to search our group.


Wednesday, September 18, 2013

Magdalena's sister Margreth Ditlo and Hessian Christian Schneider

I was looking into the Ditlo family and came across the husband of our Magdalena's sister Margreth. His name was Christian Schneider and I have found two entries for him:

Frederick, Maryland, Lutheran Marriages and Burials 1743-1811.
p. 32
1782, Dec. 26 #38 Christian Schneider Surgeon with the Hessian 
regiment from Bosen, and Margreth Ditlo. Porc. Dec. 15, 22, 25. 
Witnesses: ... [torn away] ... Juliana Wittmann, Dct. Rau.


Pennsylvania German Society (Pennsylvania). Der Reggeboge : (the rainbow). (Breinigsville, Pennsylvania: Pennsylvania German Society, 1967).
Christian Schneider, b. 1759/61, X5400 Sondershausen. Surgeon,
Hessian von Bose Regt., Maj. Scheer Co., deserted by May 1783 (HET
ll:9594).
Christian Schneider, "surgeon with the Hessian Regiment von Bose,"
married Margreth Ditlo 26 Dec. 1782 (Frederick Lutheran Rsgister).
Son Christian Wilhelm b. 22 Feb. 1783, baptized 26 Feb. with
Christian Wilhelm Warffelmann, the Regimental Surgeon, as sponsor
(Frederick Lutheran).

After this their trail goes cold for me because I suspect they started spelling their surname Snider or Snyder but maybe they kept the original Schneider spelling. And I think, since there is no news of them from Frederick after the marriage, I suspect they migrated to Pennsylvania and then to Virginia like all our other relatives. Do you know how many Schneider, Snider, Snyder entries there are for graves in Pennsylvania at Findagrave?!


I wrote a question at Ancestry.com at the Frederick, Maryland message board. Here is the response I received:

"According to Frederick's Evangelical Lutheran Church records, Christian Wilhelm, son of Christian Wilhelm and Margreth Schneider was born 22 Feb. 1783; bp. 26 Feb. 1783. Bp. Sponsor was Christian Wilhelm Warffelmann.

Christian, the surgeon had been a Prisoner of War at the Hessian Barracks here in Frederick and Christian Wilhelm Warffelmann was the Regimental Surgeon.

After 1783, Christian and Margreth Schneider no longer appear in the Evangelical Lutheran Church records or have any known gravemarkers here in Frederick County."

Bob Fout

You can read the thread here.

Have you found anything about Margreth's family?

Catherine dee Auvil Sept. 2013

Abel > Auble > Auvil??

Dear Auvil Family,

I've been meaning to write this for a long time. As many of you know Jinx Hartung had a theory that the father of our ancestor Johannes Abel was Paul Abel from New Jersey. She based this on the fact that there is a Paul Abel buried in Frederick, Maryland and he is the right age to be the father of Johannes. There is also a missing Paul Abel from the New Jersey family who seems to line up with the Paul Abel that showed up in Frederick.

We don't have much more than that. But something that is very curious to me and I wanted to draw your attention to is the fact that many of the New Jersey Abel descendants started using the spelling "Auble" at the same time our family started using the spelling "Auvil." One way to eventually solve the mystery of whether we are related to the New Jersey Abel family would be to compare DNA. If all the Auvils and Aubles and Abels match up we can conclude that we are related.

How can you help? If you are a male with the surname Auvil you can have your DNA tested at Ancestry.com for less than 100$. If you do please let us know the results! (Female Auvils will not show the yDNA of our male ancestors.)

If you would like to delve further into this mystery you may want to read the blog Genea Musings by Randy Seaver. Randy Seaver is an Auble descendant and he traces his Auble line back to the New Jersey Abels. Genea-Musings is one of the most popular genealogy blogs today. I looked at his latest trees and he is now listing the New Jersey Paul Abel as the same Paul Abel that is buried in Frederick, Maryland. He doesn't list any references for that so I think he may be going on the theory of Jinx Hartung for that. We'll see if we can find out more from him.



More about Jinx Hartung: Jinx is an Auvil descendant and publisher of the Auvil Lines newsletter.

More about the New Jersey Abel family: when we talk about the New Jersey family we mean Andreas Abel  (abt 1690 - 1751) of  Fox Hill.

Update: we now have a male Auvil family member who has shared his test. He is in the G Haplogroup and he matches a man named Cain Abel (1766-Jul. 3, 1850) who lived in Tennessee. If you would like to follow these developments you should join the Auvil Family Facebook group. And you can submit your own DNA rsults to the Abel Surname DNA Project. This project covers the surnames Abel, Auvil, Abell, Auville and others. It is designed to sort out the surnames by Haplogroup. If Abels and Auvils are in the same Haplogroup with matching numbers it means we have the same male ancestor and we therefore have the same surname even though it may have been spelled differently by different families.

Catherine dee Auvil Sept. 2013

Sunday, September 8, 2013

Jean Jacques Blanchard and Pah-ne-o-ne-pah-que, or White Thunder



Jean Jacques Blanchard
by H. H. Hardesty 1874

We select the following interesting narrative in reference to Jean Jacques Blanchard, after whom Blanchard's Fork of the Auglaze river was named, from the manuscript of the History of Hancock to be published by H. H. Hardesty, Esq., in his Combination Atlas:

There is not a character that presents itself in the history of the Northwest about whom there clings so much interest and mystery as that of Jean Jacques Blanchard. The personal history of this strange man, is vague and indefinite, but in the occasional glimpses which we get of it, through the lapse of years, we see a life of adventure, wanderings, and vicissitudes. From the best information that can be obtained, it appears that Blanchard was born in France about the year 1720. The place of his birth is and probably will be forever unknown. I appears that he received a liberal education. He was well versed in mathematics, and from an account of him given by an American officer, who met him in 1799 near the present site of the town on McArthur, the supposition is that he at one time possessed an intimate acquaintance with the Latin language. He spoke his native language fluently, with that peculiar accent called "Paris French." The theory long held in reference to Blanchard is that he was a French Canadian, who, either to escape the penalty of some crime, or for love of adventure, had wandered from some of the forts along the Northwestern frontier, and taken up his residence among the Indians.

While this story appears tenable on its face, it is not warranted by known facts and circumstances connected with his history. In the meager account of himself which Blanchard gave to Captain Forth, the officer before referred to, he says that he emigrated from France to Louisiana in the year 1760. He remained here until a few months after the cession of Louisiana to Spain in 1762. What his employments were cannot be ascertained. For the next seven years nothing whatever is known of him. The supposition in the mind of Elliot was that he had joined a band of Spanish freebooters, and with them engaged in plundering small vessels in the West India waters. - [Elliot's Algonquins, New York, 1831.]

In the Autumn of 1769, or the Spring of 1770, he made his appearance among a tribe of Shawnee Indians who resided about twenty-two miles south of the place where Dayton now stands. How or from whence he came no one knew nor did he ever explain it. It is supposed that becoming tired of being a pirate, he had returned to Louisiana and joined a party of traders, and after visiting several Indian tribes, became weary of his mercenary companions and plunged into the wilderness alone, and coming to the village of the Shawnees determined to take up his abode with them. He was kindly received, and it was not long until the Indians regarded him as one of their number. Another account of Blanchard that has long been regarded as true, states that he was a tailor. Whether this statement has any foundation in fact or not, I have not been able to discover. When he came into the Shawnee tribe he had with him an elaborate case of curiously wrought tools. These he used in making ornaments, for the Indians from the small coins and shells they furnished him. So skilled was he in manufacturing ornaments with which to adorn the persons of the savages, that his fame spread abroad among other tribes, and they came from far and near to bring him material, and out of which he wrought wonderful divices. The conclusion that arises from this circumstance is, that in addition with other acquirements, Blanchard was also a jeweler.

In 1774, Blanchard married a Shawnee woman named Pah-ne-o-ne-pah-que, or White Thunder. By her he had seven children, five sons and two daughters. At the time the tribe went West the second son was a sub-chief. In 1857, there were several Indians in the tribe who claimed to be descendants of Blanchard.

Blanchard's Fork of the Auglaize river was named after him. Previous to 1812, the stream was simply known as Blanchard's river, but on certain military surveys being made the name was changed to Blanchard's Fork of the Auglaize. About the year 1784, a party of the tribe with which Blanchard lived moved to a point near the head of the river. Here it was that they were visited by traders, and so skilled was the band in obtaining furs that the village soon became the resort of the agents of the Canadian Fur Company. It was they who gave the name to the river in honor of the old Frenchman.

There is no evidence that Blanchard ever resided in Hancock county, and the only visits he ever made within its present boundaries were hunting excursions along the river, and the salt licks in the Eastern part of the country. There was nothing striking in the personal appearance of the man. He was a little below the medium height, and was a trifle "bow legged." His features were regular and expressive of some strength of character, He was quiet in his demeanor, and at times morose. He seldom talked of his early life; in fact he never spoke of it unless pressed to, or when he heard Indians or whites boasting of things they had heard or seen. At one time Tecumseh, then a young man, boasted to Blanchard of great things he would perform when he was older, and how he would join the tribes together and exterminate the whites and make himself the greatest chief on earth. Blanchard listened contemptuously for a time, then replied; "In my country, across the big water, toward the rising sun, I have seen a chief whose wampum belt was so bright that its glitter would blind your eyes, and whose blanket was covered with metals richer than the wealth of all the tribes."

Blanchard died about the year 1802. His burial place is unknown. The Shawnees once had a tradition that after his burial four beings came and carried his body to a far off land in a canoe that floated through the air, and that some time in the future he would return and bring with him beautiful presents for the tribe. The Jeffersonian. Findlay, O., July 10, 1874

Monday, September 2, 2013

J. A. AUVIL, Davis, W. Va.


Wheeling Daily Intelligencer
March 24 1892
For Sale
A Bargain for Thirty Days.
Two nice lots 80x132 1/2 feet, both, two squares from the depot, one lot from corner, building 22x18 2/3 feet. First floor, store room, renting at 15$ a month, in advance. I live in the balance, which can rent at $10 a month. Town of Davis, W. Va., six years old, 2,ooo population and building rapidly. Price $1,500, one-half down, balance in six and twelve months, or $1,400 down. Also two fine lots in Elkins, two squares from depot, very cheap. If not sold in thirty days will mortgage all low. Clear titles. Reason for selling, going west for health. For particulars, adress mr23
J. A. AUVIL, Davis, W. Va.

Nikitie Contest


This is the Nikitie Contest announcement.

How to play the game.

1. We have an oral tradition that Nikitie Gabriel was a guide for George Washington. The purpose of this contest will be to see if there is any mention of an Indian guide or interpreter in George Washington's papers.

2. The contest will include George Washington's papers but also Christopher Gist's papers (He knew George Washington and Daniel Boone and I have a hunch he may have had some contact with our people.) I will also include the writings of Abraham Wood, for obvious reasons. So to summarize: we will be searching the papers of George Washington, Christopher Gist and Abraham Wood. I have included links to the papers at the bottom of our "Cast of Characters" page. You may find more. Please post if you find more so I can add them to the links.

http://tinyurl.com/castofindiancreek

3. You will receive 1 point for each mention you find of an Indian guide or interpreter. To receive a point you will need to include where you found it. Sign your name. An example would be: I found this in a letter written by G. Washington on Dec. 12, 1750 - "we paid an Indian guide from XYZ tribe to escort us through LMNOP Gap" found at website.com by Catherine dee Auvil

4. You will receive 50 points if you find a mention of a WOMAN guide or interpreter. You will receive 100 points if you find a reference to Nikitie (or Nikitie spelling variations)!

5. I hope you already have an account at WeRelate.org because that is where we are going to collect the entries. Go to this page and follow the directions. If you have ANY problems let me know : )

http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Talk:Indian_Creek%2C_Virginia

Good Luck and Have Fun! 

About the prize: a quartz arrowhead found near Jamestown, Virginia.

Catherine dee Auvil