Wednesday, December 18, 2024

13. Thomas Bailey Christian - Important Christian surname families of the frontier

 

Important Christian surname families of the frontier

Gilbert: had previously arrived in New Castle, Pennsylvania in 1726 and, after living in Lancaster for a time, he and his family were among the first to settle in the Valley of Virginia in 1732.
Israel: Early Kentucky pioneer and landowner; founded Fincastle, Kentucky and Christiansburg, Virginia.
William: In Dunmore's war; led an expedition against the Overhill Cherokees, which saw little action but compelled some of the chiefs to agree to peace. He served in the commission which negotiated the "Treaty of Long Island of the Holston" with the Cherokees, signed on July 20, 1777. 

Wednesday, December 11, 2024

Heads of families at the first census of the United States taken in the year 1790 : records of the State enumerations: 1782-1785, Virginia


 this is online but I am having trouble finding a good place to search

Ancestry.com has a search but it is only for certain states:

Search for "Sceggs"

Search for "Skaggs"









What it says at FamilySearch (so is this the same as Ancestry?) I'll have to run some comparisons.


Search for "Sceggs"

Search for "Skaggs"



CHRONICLES OF THE Scotch-Irish Settlement IN VIRGINIA (AKA Chalkley's)

 

CHRONICLES
OF THE
Scotch-Irish Settlement
IN
VIRGINIA
EXTRACTED FROM THE ORIGINAL COURT RECORDS OF
AUGUSTA COUNTY
1745-1800
BY
LYMAN CHALKLEY

Volume One

Volume Two

Here is a good overview but I wouldn't read it here because it is page by page and no search.

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Chalkley's Chronicles

Lyman Chalkley's three-volume Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia Extracted from the Original Court Records of Augusta County, 1745-1800 (Rosslyn, Va., 1912-1913; reprint, 1965)  is a popular reference work that contains abstracts taken from the Augusta County court records. Chalkley's Chronicles may serve as a useful source for leads and to identify original records to consult, but there are many reasons to exercise caution when using it.

Before the publication of the Chronicles, the National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution, which had been approached to become the publisher, commissioned genealogist and historian Thomas Forsythe Nelson to make an analysis of the work. Nelson's detailed evaluation, in which the Society as well as Herbert Putnam, who was then the Librarian of Congress, and historian J. Franklin Jameson all concurred, was that the typescript of Chalkley's abstracts that had been submitted should not be published. Nelson found that the abstracts contained an abundance of transcription errors, erroneous dates, misspelled names, material omissions, and other serious mistakes. He concluded that the abstracts were "condensed to the point of mutilation" and that many entries misrepresented the contents of the original documents.

Nelson also pointed out that Chalkley had abstracted only some of the records that pertained to persons and families in which he was interested. Publication of the abstracts could easily lead to the erroneous conclusion that the absence in the abstracts of information about a person or a family meant that there was no information on the person or family in the county court's records.

Nelson's whole report, containing detailed comparisons between Chalkley's abstracts and the original records, was published as a substantial pamphlet under the authority of the 21st Congress, National Society, Daughters of the American Revolution (Washington, D.C., 1912) with the title Report on the Chalkley Manuscripts.

Mary Smith Lockwood, an honorary vice-president-general of the Society, nevertheless proceeded on her own to have the typescript of Chalkley's abstracts published in the familiar three-volume edition.

Many users have no doubt concluded wrongly, as Nelson predicted, that the absence of references in Chalkley's Chronicles indicated a lack of data; and many other users have certainly been mislead by using Chalkley's faulty abstracts and not consulting the original records. Chalkley's Chronicles can be a valuable resource if it is used as a first finding aid for citations but not as a correct reproduction or representation of the full rich entries in the county court's original manuscript records.

An online series on Research in Virginia Documents.
Prepared by Daphne Gentry, Publications and Education Services Division.
Copyright by The Library of Virginia; this note may be reproduced in full if proper credit is given and no changes are made.

 

Use the link below to access this publication:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~chalkley/













Monday, December 2, 2024

Daguerreotype

 Daguerreotype was the first publicly available photographic process, widely used during the 1840s and 1850s. "Daguerreotype" also refers to an image created through this process.

Daguerreotype - Wikipedia

Daguerreotypes Of People From Virginia - The Gene Genie

Because I have a Daguerreotype of my ancestor, Thomas Bailey Christian, in Virginia, with his 2nd wife who is wearing a bonnet, I thought I would do an image search to see if I could learn anything. Maybe find the photographer!

Pinterest search "Daguerreotype + bonnet"

https://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=%22daguerreotype%20bonnet%22&rs=typed



Saturday, November 30, 2024

11. Thomas Bailey Christian - The Cornstalk Orphans & DNA

There were four "Cornstalk Orphans". I'll take one at a time here starting with TBC. Starting with facts. I'm not going to put my sources here because I don't have them organized right now but I might get to that later.

1. We know that TBC was an orphan

2. We know that Thomas Mastin and his wife Agnes "took in" the Cornstalk orphans

3. We know that Thomas Mastin "took in" TBC

Odd DNA findings

Kennith Simpson, who believes he is a direct descendant of TBC, through a Christian, So his last name should be Christian (3) (long story) took a DNA test which said he had YDNA haplogroup (2) R1b. With no Native DNA(1). We really need more descendants of TBC to confirm this!

1. No Native DNA? (a) This was 2013 - they didn't have tests for that really and (b) DNA is a crapshoot - one sibling can show 25% Scottish and another sibling can show 0% Scottish.

2. Kennith shows haplogroup R1b

            a. He could be mistaken about his parentage. (Unlikely - see #3)

            b. Being R1b does not rule out TBC being Native see A

            c. Elinipsico OR Cornstalk could be R1b we don't know see A

A - Francesca (Norman) Williams'      comment

3. Kennith last name should be Christian - this one really threw me. This doesn't make any sense - if you believe the family oral history, and I do, how could Thomas Bailey Christian match someone with the last name Christian when we were told Thomas Mastin gave him the name Christian in honor of his friend (probably William Christian, I haven't looked into that yet). That's just too much of a coincidence. These are the only options:

        a. Kennith is not a descendant of TBC. I think this is unlikely but possible. We need more testing to solve this mystery!

        b. Elinipsico was a kidnapped Christian and the Long Hunters knew this and that's why they named him Christian. But if that is true why didn't they return him to his Christian grandparents??

        c. Mastin knew Elinipsico was a kidnapped Christian but took him in because his wife, Agnes, was related to TBC's mother (sister?)

I felt like I had no choice but to go along with Kennith's contention that TBC was not Elinipsico's son...until I had my own DNA compared to confirmed (enrolled) Shawnee and Cherokee and I matched.

Back to me. I really, really do not want to do this but I feel like I have to. Because so many of my relatives are having their oral history discounted. I hate that! I don't understand the mystery of TBC's father but I do know that his mother was both Shawnee and Cherokee because I took a DNA test where the testing company now has, in 2024, small samples of confirmed, enrolled citizens of several tribes and I match Shawnee & Cherokee. If you are in my family I will share details if you contact me.

I'll write more later - I have to take a break.

Friday, November 29, 2024

10. Thomas Bailey Christian - Don Greene Shawnee Heritage

 Don Greene - so controversial - I'm not exactly sure why. He doesn't always cite his sources and he maybe is loose with the conjecture but jeez I don't think he deserves the hate he gets.

I have researched his background and he is a descendant of Nonhelema. (by my research CdA 2024) I am satisfied.

I own all of his books - for my research - I want to know what he writes.

This is what I wrote on the Thomas Bailey Christian of Indian Creek first post:

Shawnee Heritage by Don Greene

At about the same time as the Red Wolf postings (2008), Don Greene* published his book Shawnee Heritage I. His book mentions Elinipsico but does not name his children. *Note: Don Greene is controversial in part because he does not name his sources. In spite of that, he has done extensive research and his books are invaluable in the study of Shawnee history.

(2013) I have just received word that Don Greene is looking into the Cornstalk Orphan mystery. Stay tuned.

(2024 update) I never did hear back if Don Greene researched The Cornstalk Orphans. Please message me if you hear more


I have made a list of his books with the Google Books links so you can search to see if he has written about the subject of your research.

Please alert me if you find any errors.

Don Greene Shawnee Heritage at my evernote

*Note: I have not searched these books for my research subjects yet. Just haven't had time. Plan to do it Winter of 24/25 while I am hibernating.

** If you know errors in this book - let us gather them here in the comments and I will compile them for everyone

Monday, November 25, 2024

9. Thomas Bailey Christian - NOT the son of Nathaniel

 For the last time - Thomas Bailey Christian was not the son of Nathaniel Christian & Jane Ewing

Dec 31, 2000 
Dear Linda and other Christian Cousins:
The following is being sent to all of you who received information that 
"Old Lewis' brother Nathaniel settled in Tazewell Co., VA . . ."
Not so! Or at least I have never seen any evidence that would substantiate 
such a move. Indeed, I have written numerous letters within the last year 
showing that Nathaniel Christian's son Thomas was not the one who settled 
in Tazewell Co., VA. Where on earth is all this erroneous and dubious 
information coming from?
Agnes Branch Pearlman editor of Christian Chronicles

Agnes wrote this in 2000. Then she went on to list all of the reasons why not.

You can read the original here:

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/christian/1207/

I have taken all her notes and put them in a comparison table. You can see it here:

Thomas Bailey Christian Comparison Table at Evernote

 

Saturday, November 23, 2024

Thursday, November 21, 2024

6. Daniel Smith, Tennessee Senator

 I research Daniel Smith because he was a close friend to Thomas Mastin who adopted TBC. Now, I am also working on the list of Longhunters at WeRelate and there are two Smiths - I really think they are related to our Daniel Smith - so I'm trying to figure this out now. More on this later. I am going to try to list the works by and about DS here.

*Note I'm reading that Daniel Smith went on at least one "long hunt" so I don't know why he isn't classified as a Longhunter.



Daniel Smith Frontier Statesman

purchase at Amazon

https://www.historicrockcastle.com/history
Now, I did find who I think is listed as "Longhunter James Smith" and doesn't seem to be related to our Daniel, but I'm still looking. Another problem: No mention of a Henry. So who was Longhunter Henry Smith? Was he related to Daniel? Mystery continues.
James Smith (frontiersman)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Smith_(frontiersman)
oddly, does not say he was a Longhunter but does say it other places on the Internet

The Long Hunter’s Legacy: James Smith’s Survival in Appalachia

https://storiesofappalachia.com/?p=3031








Wednesday, November 13, 2024

7. Thomas Bailey Christian - James Red Wolf

 James Red Wolf AKA J Red Wolf who usually signed his posts :) Red Wolf made comments about our family at genealogy.com around 2008-2009. I did research his tree to verify, I am satisfied, but I'm not putting any of that here for privacy reasons. I'm going to link back here if I quote him using this format: ΣJRedWolf (I use the Σ symbol so you can search a term easily on this blog.)


I come from their son James Peshikthe Christian. James married Rutha Bandy and they had a son Wiskilo'tha, you would know him as George Bandy Christian, but Wiskilo'tha was his Indian name. George married Judith Lester who was also of Indian blood through her father. Down through Mary Christian and Harry Red Wolf. That is my connection to Kumskaka, or as you know him, Thomas B. Christian. We are of the Shawano clan and Tsalagi clan. Shawano through Thomas's father and Tsalagi through his mother. Nipseko followed Shawano clan by the side of his father.

Does this help?

:)
Red Wolf

ΣJRedWolf ΣTBC

Virginia Posts

 

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/11/2-thomas-bailey-christian-locations.html


https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/01/virginia-history-resources.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2023/05/maps-for-genealogy.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/06/virginia-maps.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/06/virginia-books.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/06/virginia-land-patents-and-grants.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/06/virginia-wills-probate.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/06/west-virginia-us-wills-and-probate.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2011/07/indian-creek-players.html



ΣVirginia

Tuesday, November 12, 2024

3. Thomas Bailey Christian Locations

 TAZEWELL




from History of Settlement & Indian Wars of Tazewell County, Virginia



Tazewell County Historical Society

Tazewell County Public Library

FamilySearch Tazewell

Tazewell Co. / Buchanan Co., VA, Genealogy

Tazewell Circuit Court: Genealogy Research (birth, death, wills)

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Montgomery County, Virginia

Montgomery County was established in 1777 from Fincastle County
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Don't forget to consider Wythe, Wayne, Tazewell. Don't omitt counties in the Carolina states, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Georgia. Those are the places with the keys to the connections you all seek. Be sure to check Georgia. Heavy Shawano connections are there to our Christians.

:) Red Wolf

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Thomas Mastin's papers for the orphans are found in Tennessee.
There is also one from Hezekiah Whitt in Virginia for the recognition of Thomas Christian as a Cornstalk orphan. Montgomery County is the place to look.

:) Red Wolf

TENNESSEE
Sumner County

British colonial longhunters traveled into the area as early as the 1760s, following existing Indian and buffalo trails. By the early 1780s, they had erected several trading posts in the region. The most prominent was Mansker's Station, which was built by Kasper Mansker near a salt lick (where modern Goodlettsville would later develop). Another was Bledsoe's Station, built by Isaac Bledsoe at Castilian Springs.[1] Sumner County was organized in 1786, just 3 years after the end of the American Revolutionary War, when Tennessee was still the western part of North Carolina.[citation needed]

"Sumner County, Tennessee," Wikimedia Foundation, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumner_County,_Tennessee


all of Tennessee

Tennessee Virtual Archive
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North Carolina
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ΣTBC | ΣSkaggs | ΣJRedWolf











Whole Earth Catalog, Shelter

 I loved reading the Whole Earth Catalog when I was young. So I bought it for my new library. It is not available at Amazon so I had to get mine from eBay. When I did, there weren't any clean copies of the original 1968 $5 edition so I bought a newer on:


Now, I just looked at eBay and there were several good condition copies, so I bought one.


eBay Search

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Earth_Catalog

Whole Earth Scanning Project

https://wholeearth.info/

-----------------------------

Also, I remember a book called Shelter that I loved - that one is still in print so I bought one at Amazon.

available at Amazon

There are more variations of this book and the author also wrote a book about septic systems


available at Amazon

Apparently, Lloyd Kahn was the "Shelter" editor for the original WEC and when I googled him, wow, he has a lot of writing on the Internet. He had a blog and now he has a Substack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Kahn

https://www.lloydkahn.com/ blog

https://lloydkahn.substack.com/

https://www.instagram.com/lloyd.kahn/

Lloyd Kahn books at Amazon

There is a video interview of Kahn on Kirsten Dirksen's Youtube 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBN5WakKYbQ

Σhomesteading



Monday, September 30, 2024

We Went Off Grid In 30 Days With $25,000

 This is the best advice for starting an off grid tiny cabin that I have seen:


IBC container (intermediate bulk container)



Σhomesteading



Tuesday, September 10, 2024

Genealogy TV on YouTube

 I had never heard of this - but she is really good!

Genealogy TV on YouTube



https://www.youtube.com/@GenealogyTV

https://www.facebook.com/Genealogytv/

https://genealogytv.org/


Evidence Explained & The Chicago Manual of Style & Dewey Decimal

 

I am going to try to figure out how to cite email & letters (AKA correspondence). I will be using Evidence Explained & The Chicago Manual of Style

some of my questions

1. If the email is written to you do you have to send a second email asking if you can cite first email?
        I found this myself: Yes you need to get permission from the original emailer. I know this seems obvious, I just wanted to find sources for this answer and I did.
                a. Mills, Elizabeth Shown. Evidence Explained: Citing History Sources from Artifacts to Cyberspace, 4th ed. (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2024), 174.
                b. Editorial Staff. The Chicago Manual of Style, 17th ed. (Chicago ; London : The University of Chicago Press, 2017), 851

2. Citing something means the reader should be able to access the original, correct? How can that be if the email is only on the computer and not published?

I'm going to be asking these questions at the Evidence Explained forums


And reading The Chicago Manual of Style

(There is an online (CMOS), free trial, and I think you can ask questions there? I will try it and report back)

--------------------------------------------------------------
Part B citing books when there are multiple editions

I need to be able to cite one particular edition of a book when there are multiple editions.

For this example I am going to use

Pocahontas, Alias Matoaka, and Her Descendants
by Wyndham Robertson 1887

the first thing to look at is the actual title page


Since there was no classification system at this time the only way to distinguish this edition would be to use the publication year (1887) and maybe the page numbers (no, because Internet sources are not consistent on how many page numbers of first edition)?
This is before ISBN, so it won't have one, UNLESS someone assigned a number "posthumously", which it looks like someone did:
ISBN (still searching for isbn number)

The Chicago Manual of Style citation 2024:
Robertson, Wyndham. Pocahontas: Alias Matoaka, and Her Descendants Through Her Marriage at Jamestown, Virginia, in April, 1614, with John Rolfe, Gentleman; Including the Names of Alfriend, Archer, Bentley, Bernard, Bland, Boling, Branch, Cabell, Catlett, Cary, Dandridge, Dixon, Douglas, Duval, Eldridge, Ellett, Ferguson, Field, Fleming, Gay, Gordon, Griffin, Grayson, Harrison, Hubard, Lewis, Logan, Markham, Meade, McRae, Murray, Page, Poythress, Randolph, Robertson, Skipwith, Stanard, Tazewel, Walke, West, Whittle, and Others. United States: J. W. Randolph & English, 1887.

MLA

Robertson, Wyndham, 1803-1888, and R. A. (Robert Alonzo) Brock. Pocahontas, Alias Matoaka: And Her Descendants Through Her Marriage At Jamestown, Virginia, In April, 1614, With John Rolfe, Gentleman; Including the Names of Alfriend, Archer, Bentley, Bernard, Bland, Bolling, Branch, Cabell, Catlett, Cary, Dandridge, Dixon, Douglas, Duval, Eldridge, Ellett, Ferguson, Field, Fleming, Gay, Gordon, Griffin, Grayson, Harrison, Hubard, Lewis, Logan, Markham, Meade, McRae, Murray, Page, Polythress, Randolph, Robertson, Skipwith, Stanard, Tazewell, Walke, West, Whittle, And Others. Richmond: J. W. Randolph & English, 1887.

APA

Robertson, W., Brock, R. A. (Robert Alonzo). (1887). Pocahontas, alias Matoaka: and her descendants through her marriage at Jamestown, Virginia, in April, 1614, with John Rolfe, gentleman; including the names of Alfriend, Archer, Bentley, Bernard, Bland, Bolling, Branch, Cabell, Catlett, Cary, Dandridge, Dixon, Douglas, Duval, Eldridge, Ellett, Ferguson, Field, Fleming, Gay, Gordon, Griffin, Grayson, Harrison, Hubard, Lewis, Logan, Markham, Meade, McRae, Murray, Page, Polythress, Randolph, Robertson, Skipwith, Stanard, Tazewell, Walke, West, Whittle, and others. Richmond: J. W. Randolph & English.


WorldCat OCLC Number / Unique Identifier: 1651163





Going forward. What about a newish book?






Lake Pend Oreille

 Found a great online map of Lake Pend Oreille that shows depth and everything:



paper map from Amazon


Bathymetric map of Lake Pend Oreille and Pend Oreille River, Idaho

downloadable 2-plate pdf of Lake Pend Oreille 1996

ΣIdaho





Sunday, August 25, 2024

Journals of the House of Burgesses

The Journals of the House of Burgesses of Virginia, 1619-1776 are the official minutes of the lower house of the colonial Virginia legislature. Throughout the colonial period, the legislature met frequently but irregularly, with sessions lasting from a few days to several weeks; in some years, the legislature did not meet at all. " -- section of book, pg. _ or v. _

Contents: v. 1. 1619-1658/59 (1915) -- v. 2. 1659/60-1693 (1914) -- v. 3. 1695-1696, 1696-1697, 1698, 1699, 1700-1702 (1913) -- v. 4. 1702/03-1705, 1705-1706, 1710-1712 (1912) -- v. 5. 1712-1714, 1715, 1718, 1720-1722, 1723-1726 (1912) -- v. 6. 1727-1734, 1736-1740 (1910) -- v. 7. 1742-1747, 1748-1749 (1909) -- v. 8. 1752-1755, 1756-1758 (1909) -- v. 9. 1758-1761 (1908) -- v. 10. 1761-1765 (1907) -- v. 11. 1766-1769 (1906) -- v. 12. 1770-1772 (1906) -- v. 13. 1773-1776, including the records of the Committee of Correspondence (1905).

Edited and published by authority of the Library Board, Virginia State Library(1).

this description is from FamilySearch - that page has a link list for each volume

Archive.org (I think all the volumes are here?)

The online books page - convenient list includes year (unlike FamilySearch list that only includes volume #)

available for purchase at Amazon if you know which volume you want

1. Note that the current Library of Virginia was formerly known as the Virginia State Library and as the Virginia State Library and Archives.

ΣVirginia


deeAuvil Projects

 I am going to list my projects here

WORK IN PROGRESS


ΣCdA