Saturday, November 30, 2024

11. Thomas Bailey Christian - The Cornstalk Orphans & DNA

There were four "Cornstalk Orphans". I'll take one at a time here starting with TBC. Starting with facts. I'm not going to put my sources here because I don't have them organized right now but I might get to that later.

1. We know that TBC was an orphan

2. We know that Thomas Mastin and his wife Agnes "took in" the Cornstalk orphans

3. We know that Thomas Mastin "took in" TBC

Odd DNA findings

Kennith Simpson, who believes he is a direct descendant of TBC, through a Christian, So his last name should be Christian (3) (long story) took a DNA test which said he had YDNA haplogroup (2) R1b. With no Native DNA(1). We really need more descendants of TBC to confirm this!

1. No Native DNA? (a) This was 2013 - they didn't have tests for that really and (b) DNA is a crapshoot - one sibling can show 25% Scottish and another sibling can show 0% Scottish.

2. Kennith shows haplogroup R1b

            a. He could be mistaken about his parentage. (Unlikely - see #3)

            b. Being R1b does not rule out TBC being Native see A

            c. Elinipsico OR Cornstalk could be R1b we don't know see A

A - Francesca (Norman) Williams'      comment

3. Kennith last name should be Christian - this one really threw me. This doesn't make any sense - if you believe the family oral history, and I do, how could Thomas Bailey Christian match someone with the last name Christian when we were told Thomas Mastin gave him the name Christian in honor of his friend (probably William Christian, I haven't looked into that yet). That's just too much of a coincidence. These are the only options:

        a. Kennith is not a descendant of TBC. I think this is unlikely but possible. We need more testing to solve this mystery!

        b. Elinipsico was a kidnapped Christian and the Long Hunters knew this and that's why they named him Christian. But if that is true why didn't they return him to his Christian grandparents??

        c. Mastin knew Elinipsico was a kidnapped Christian but took him in because his wife, Agnes, was related to TBC's mother (sister?)

I felt like I had no choice but to go along with Kennith's contention that TBC was not Elinipsico's son...until I had my own DNA compared to confirmed (enrolled) Shawnee and Cherokee and I matched.

Back to me. I really, really do not want to do this but I feel like I have to. Because so many of my relatives are having their oral history discounted. I hate that! I don't understand the mystery of TBC's father but I do know that his mother was both Shawnee and Cherokee because I took a DNA test where the testing company now has, in 2024, small samples of confirmed, enrolled citizens of several tribes and I match Shawnee & Cherokee. If you are in my family I will share details if you contact me.

I'll write more later - I have to take a break.

Friday, November 29, 2024

10. Thomas Bailey Christian - Don Greene Shawnee Heritage

 Don Greene - so controversial - I'm not exactly sure why. He doesn't always cite his sources and he maybe is loose with the conjecture but jeez I don't think he deserves the hate he gets.

I have researched his background and he is a descendant of Nonhelema. (by my research CdA 2024) I am satisfied.

I own all of his books - for my research - I want to know what he writes.

This is what I wrote on the Thomas Bailey Christian of Indian Creek first post:

Shawnee Heritage by Don Greene

At about the same time as the Red Wolf postings (2008), Don Greene* published his book Shawnee Heritage I. His book mentions Elinipsico but does not name his children. *Note: Don Greene is controversial in part because he does not name his sources. In spite of that, he has done extensive research and his books are invaluable in the study of Shawnee history.

(2013) I have just received word that Don Greene is looking into the Cornstalk Orphan mystery. Stay tuned.

(2024 update) I never did hear back if Don Greene researched The Cornstalk Orphans. Please message me if you hear more


I have made a list of his books with the Google Books links so you can search to see if he has written about the subject of your research.

Please alert me if you find any errors.

Don Greene Shawnee Heritage at my evernote

*Note: I have not searched these books for my research subjects yet. Just haven't had time. Plan to do it Winter of 24/25 while I am hibernating.

** If you know errors in this book - let us gather them here in the comments and I will compile them for everyone

Monday, November 25, 2024

9. Thomas Bailey Christian - NOT the son of Nathaniel

 For the last time - Thomas Bailey Christian was not the son of Nathaniel Christian & Jane Ewing

Dec 31, 2000 
Dear Linda and other Christian Cousins:
The following is being sent to all of you who received information that 
"Old Lewis' brother Nathaniel settled in Tazewell Co., VA . . ."
Not so! Or at least I have never seen any evidence that would substantiate 
such a move. Indeed, I have written numerous letters within the last year 
showing that Nathaniel Christian's son Thomas was not the one who settled 
in Tazewell Co., VA. Where on earth is all this erroneous and dubious 
information coming from?
Agnes Branch Pearlman editor of Christian Chronicles

Agnes wrote this in 2000. Then she went on to list all of the reasons why not.

You can read the original here:

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/christian/1207/

I have taken all her notes and put them in a comparison table. You can see it here:

Thomas Bailey Christian Comparison Table at Evernote

 

Saturday, November 23, 2024

Thursday, November 21, 2024

6. Daniel Smith, Tennessee Senator

 I research Daniel Smith because he was a close friend to Thomas Mastin who adopted TBC. Now, I am also working on the list of Longhunters at WeRelate and there are two Smiths - I really think they are related to our Daniel Smith - so I'm trying to figure this out now. More on this later. I am going to try to list the works by and about DS here.

*Note I'm reading that Daniel Smith went on at least one "long hunt" so I don't know why he isn't classified as a Longhunter.



Daniel Smith Frontier Statesman

purchase at Amazon

https://www.historicrockcastle.com/history
Now, I did find who I think is listed as "Longhunter James Smith" and doesn't seem to be related to our Daniel, but I'm still looking. Another problem: No mention of a Henry. So who was Longhunter Henry Smith? Was he related to Daniel? Mystery continues.
James Smith (frontiersman)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Smith_(frontiersman)
oddly, does not say he was a Longhunter but does say it other places on the Internet

The Long Hunter’s Legacy: James Smith’s Survival in Appalachia

https://storiesofappalachia.com/?p=3031








Wednesday, November 13, 2024

7. Thomas Bailey Christian - James Red Wolf

 James Red Wolf AKA J Red Wolf who usually signed his posts :) Red Wolf made comments about our family at genealogy.com around 2008-2009. I did research his tree to verify, I am satisfied, but I'm not putting any of that here for privacy reasons. I'm going to link back here if I quote him using this format: ΣJRedWolf (I use the Σ symbol so you can search a term easily on this blog.)


I come from their son James Peshikthe Christian. James married Rutha Bandy and they had a son Wiskilo'tha, you would know him as George Bandy Christian, but Wiskilo'tha was his Indian name. George married Judith Lester who was also of Indian blood through her father. Down through Mary Christian and Harry Red Wolf. That is my connection to Kumskaka, or as you know him, Thomas B. Christian. We are of the Shawano clan and Tsalagi clan. Shawano through Thomas's father and Tsalagi through his mother. Nipseko followed Shawano clan by the side of his father.

Does this help?

:)
Red Wolf

ΣJRedWolf ΣTBC

Virginia Posts

 

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/11/2-thomas-bailey-christian-locations.html


https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/01/virginia-history-resources.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2023/05/maps-for-genealogy.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/06/virginia-maps.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/06/virginia-books.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/06/virginia-land-patents-and-grants.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/06/virginia-wills-probate.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2024/06/west-virginia-us-wills-and-probate.html

https://deeauvilstockphotographer.blogspot.com/2011/07/indian-creek-players.html



ΣVirginia

Tuesday, November 12, 2024

3. Thomas Bailey Christian Locations

 TAZEWELL




from History of Settlement & Indian Wars of Tazewell County, Virginia



Tazewell County Historical Society

Tazewell County Public Library

FamilySearch Tazewell

Tazewell Co. / Buchanan Co., VA, Genealogy

Tazewell Circuit Court: Genealogy Research (birth, death, wills)

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Montgomery County, Virginia

Montgomery County was established in 1777 from Fincastle County
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Don't forget to consider Wythe, Wayne, Tazewell. Don't omitt counties in the Carolina states, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Georgia. Those are the places with the keys to the connections you all seek. Be sure to check Georgia. Heavy Shawano connections are there to our Christians.

:) Red Wolf

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Thomas Mastin's papers for the orphans are found in Tennessee.
There is also one from Hezekiah Whitt in Virginia for the recognition of Thomas Christian as a Cornstalk orphan. Montgomery County is the place to look.

:) Red Wolf

TENNESSEE
Sumner County

British colonial longhunters traveled into the area as early as the 1760s, following existing Indian and buffalo trails. By the early 1780s, they had erected several trading posts in the region. The most prominent was Mansker's Station, which was built by Kasper Mansker near a salt lick (where modern Goodlettsville would later develop). Another was Bledsoe's Station, built by Isaac Bledsoe at Castilian Springs.[1] Sumner County was organized in 1786, just 3 years after the end of the American Revolutionary War, when Tennessee was still the western part of North Carolina.[citation needed]

"Sumner County, Tennessee," Wikimedia Foundation, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumner_County,_Tennessee


all of Tennessee

Tennessee Virtual Archive
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North Carolina
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ΣTBC | ΣSkaggs | ΣJRedWolf











Whole Earth Catalog, Shelter

 I loved reading the Whole Earth Catalog when I was young. So I bought it for my new library. It is not available at Amazon so I had to get mine from eBay. When I did, there weren't any clean copies of the original 1968 $5 edition so I bought a newer on:


Now, I just looked at eBay and there were several good condition copies, so I bought one.


eBay Search

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Earth_Catalog

Whole Earth Scanning Project

https://wholeearth.info/

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Also, I remember a book called Shelter that I loved - that one is still in print so I bought one at Amazon.

available at Amazon

There are more variations of this book and the author also wrote a book about septic systems


available at Amazon

Apparently, Lloyd Kahn was the "Shelter" editor for the original WEC and when I googled him, wow, he has a lot of writing on the Internet. He had a blog and now he has a Substack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Kahn

https://www.lloydkahn.com/ blog

https://lloydkahn.substack.com/

https://www.instagram.com/lloyd.kahn/

Lloyd Kahn books at Amazon

There is a video interview of Kahn on Kirsten Dirksen's Youtube 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBN5WakKYbQ

Σhomesteading